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USED BOAT: Van de Stadt, Legend 34

Philippa Park
November 12, 2015

The Van de Stadt Legend 34 is a sturdy and seaworthy yacht, built for serious coastal and offshore cruising in all weathers. Duncan Kent sails one off Portland

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The owner Quetzal was launched in 1972 and bought by Guy Dickinson in 2006. Prior to then Guy owned a Hunter Sonata and a variety of small plywood cruisers and dinghies. Guy has upgraded Quetzal considerably, including replacing her old Sabb with a new 25hp Beta with a feathering three-bladed prop. He’s also added a new electric windlass, solar panels, upholstery, wiring and instruments. Guy keeps her on a mooring at Castle Cove SC (www.ccsc.org.uk) in Portland Harbour, where she is protected by the long harbour wall. CCSC has a recently built clubhouse overlooking the harbour and a membership of 350 cruisers and racers of all ages. The club also provides a range of training facilities.

It’s always interesting to sail boats from the 1970s, seeing how yacht design has evolved in 40 odd years, how hull shape and interior volume has come on, what remains and what has been lost. Few design houses have stood the test of time, are so well known or are as prolific as Van de Stadt.

They were famous for such well- known designs as the Trintella, Pionier, Excaliber, Invicta, Wing, Seal, Etap and many more cruising and racing yachts. Producing over 400 designs since 1933, and some 25,000 Van de Stadt-designed yachts were launched.

We joined retired GP Guy Dickinson for a sail aboard his 1972 Legend 34, Quetzal. The Legend 34 was produced from 1969, with the majority built by the Tyler Boat Company in Tunbridge.

Performance A seaworthy masthead sloop, 34 was designed and built for ocean sailing. Despite being heavy by today’s standards, she is predictable and drama-free in her handling and exhibits a thoroughly easy, sea-kindly motion through the steepest of seas, allowing her to make up in overall passage times what she might lose against a modern yacht in lighter airs and flatter seas. At first we tacked back and forth inside the harbour walls of Portland where the water was flatter, (with a reef in the genoa and full mainsail), making a healthy 6.0-6.5 knots in 16 knots true wind. This increased to 7.1 knots on her best point of sail, a close reach, but dropped a little to 5.6 knots with the wind on her quarter. Running downwind, we unfurled the rest of the genoa and went goose-winged. My guess is that she would most often give average passage speeds of between 5-6 knots with ease, provided the wind didn’t drop below 10 knots.

At the helm Designed around the IOR racing rules, the Legend has pronounced narrowing forward and aft, which reduces accommodation and narrows the cockpit. She’s easy to helm using her long tiller and bracing your feet against the seat opposite. Most controls fall to hand, which means she can be sailed singlehanded. The mainsheet runs along the bridgedeck and the primaries are beside the helm on the coamings. Guy has yet to install single- line reefing and lead it back to the cockpit, but he’s thinking about it when it’s time to replace her slab-converted roller boom.

Her lines are sweet and her overhangs add to the classic look, as well as increasing her waterline length and consequently her speed when heeled. Her original full-depth skeg-hung rudder means she can suffer a little from weather helm when overpressed, but nothing that reefing the sails can’t sort out. Some have had their skeg shortened by 200mm or so and the rudder extended forward a little to offer some balance to and ease the weight off the helm.

Sailplan She has a fairly conservative masthead sailplan with the option of a baby stay or removable inner forestay for a storm jib. Her short boom means her mainsail is relatively high-aspect and was originally designed to be furled around the roller boom. She has a 125 percent genoa sheeted to short tracks atop her teak toerails.

Her deck-stepped mast is supported by stout shrouds, including caps and fore-and- aft lowers with a single pair of straight spreaders. Quetzal has a removable inner forestay, which makes tacking the overlapping genoa a bit more difficult.

Deck layout She has a lazarette locker, which houses two big gas bottles and another seat large enough for all the fenders and lines. To port, a full-depth cockpit locker gobbles up the large stuff like inflatables, warps, fenders etc. and still provides room for a decent battery bank. Her coachroof is at a constant height, making the long handrails easy to grab, and her side decks are reasonably uncluttered, allowing unhindered access to the foredeck, which is rather narrow, but workable. High teak toerails help considerably going forward when heeled – they also look pretty too. The cleats are stout, as is the bow roller and other static deck gear.

Living aboard The companionway steps are very steep and the lower one is small, so care needs to be taken when descending. You arrive at a half bulkhead on the edge of the galley to port, where there’s a pole to grab to steady yourself. Headroom is 1.83m (6ft) all the way forward to the heads and handholds each side under the portlights – which are on the small side and don’t open, making it a little dark inside with all the teak joinery. The saloon has a couple of vents in addition to the main hatch.

She has up to six berths if you include the large forepeak V-berth (1.90m long, 2.10m wide at the head and 0.65m at the foot), the saloon double (converted by dropping the table), the single settee to starboard in the saloon and the quarterberth – the latter two making the best sea berths. The heads is where she compares least favourably to a modern cruiser. There’s no shower and only enough room for a smallcorner basin. A vent above keeps it fresh and there’s a small port for natural light. The heads door closes off the forecabin when fully opened and there’s a second door between it and the saloon for privacy. A hanging locker opposite is useful for stowing oilskins. There is plenty of deep stowage beneath the forepeak bunks, but access isn’t easy and there are no shelves or lockers above the berth.

Chart table

To starboard by the companionway, the chart table is small (0.75m x 0.54m ) and on Quetzal the corner drops away to allow access to the quarterberth. Instrument space is good, though, and there’s useful stowage in the dedicated nav seat.

The galley is tightly L-shaped with room for a cooker and oven, although having two full-size sinks means there’s no worktop space. Guy has overcome this brilliantly by building a fold-over tabletop on the bulkhead. While there are lockers behind for crockery and a few other things, most food will have to be stored in the saloon lockers. Guy is also converting the aft return of the saloon settee into a top- loading fridge compartment.

Maintenance The engine is not the easiest to access, although there are side panels in the cockpit locker and under the quarterberth. The top step lifts up for checking and the whole front can be removed for servicing.

OUR VERDICT ON THE BOAT

What’s she like to sail? The Legend 34 is typical of a lot of IOR-styled boats of the 1970s, but I love the way these classics sail. She’s heavy, yes, but her lines are sleek and her keel not too long. She feels positive, steady and safe under sail, with a reassuring motion in big seas. Her deep-vee bow parts the waves without a hint of slapping and her generous keel keeps her tracking on rails.

Fast for her day, the Legend still has the ability to surprise – her displacement giving good momentum to punch through waves. Although she’s reasonably stiff, her high-aspect main means you need to use her mainsheet track to spill the gusts. She could also do with a decent kicker or flattening reef in strong winds.

Her powerful genoa needs reefing first – we put a roll in when the wind started to blow 20 knots or so over the deck, which isn’t unreasonable. This balanced her out and took some of the weather helm away. In reality she prefers to be reefed at 16 knots true for comfort, although under full sail she coped admirably when we set off out of Portland Harbour in a strong easterly.

What’s she like in port and at anchor? If you like cosy, snug interiors together with a sparse but practical layout, this boat should appeal although, dare I say it, she won’t be to everyone’s taste. The toilet and washing facilities are just one level above utilitarian (functional might be the word), so you might be tempted to stop over in a marina if/when you have company unless they share your simple requirements. Saying that, the forward cabin is the pick of berths, the others are a half- decent size, the saloon double measures 1.90m x 1.10m (6ft 3in x 3ft 7in), and the quarterberth 2.0m x 0.75m (6ft 6in x 2ft 6in).

The cooker would cope with a meal for six hungry sailors, but you’d need to have an extended worktop, or make sink and cooker covers for food preparation. I’d also be tempted to lose one sink and have that as a fridge, rather than disturb seated guests every time they want another cold beer.

Unlike on many modern yachts there is plenty of stowage space – it’s just not all that user-friendly. The saloon lockers are excellent and quite deep, but there’s nowhere for clothes other than under the bunks.

Would she suit you and your crew? If you like a sturdily-built and classically shaped yacht that looks downright pretty from most angles, then the Legend might be for you. While the design is quite dated, I believe there’s still a place for these delightful boats and I’d certainly be more than happy to chance a well-maintained example over a long ocean passage.

In performance terms she’s not going to win races around the cans any more, but she’ll log some impressive passage times when it blows and your crew will at least be able to sleep, eat and ablute off watch without fear of being bruised from head to toe.

The trick with a boat of this age is to find one that you have to persuade the owner to part with. If he or she is reluctant to sell, or wants to know your life history, then there’s a fair chance she’s been looked after and kept in tip-top condition. Be prepared to keep spending money, though – boats of this era need regular attention and updating to keep them seaworthy.

FACTS AND FIGURES

Guide price £17,500-£25,000 LOA 10.36m (34ft 0in) LWL 7.86m (25ft 9in) Beam 3.05m (10ft 0in) Draught 1.4m (4ft 7in) Displacement 4,150kg (9,130 lb) Ballast 1,600kg (3,520 lb) Ballast ratio 38.5% Sail area 56.67m2 (610sq ft) SA/D ratio 22.42 Diesel 40lit (8.8 gal) Water 275lit (60 gal) Engine original: 16hp Sabb; now: 25hp Betamarine Transmission Shaft drive Designer E.G. Van de Stadt Builder Tyler Boat Company (Tunbridge) Website www.stadtdesign.com

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Anybody know anything about this make?a lot of 37/38 ft for sale in Europe in the 1990s ..built, costing 60 to 85k look very good .

Is a well known Dutch yacht designer that has a good to excellent reputation. The attached link is the design house which still sell his plans / designs. VAN DE STADT DESIGN - Yacht Designers, Naval Architects Ilenart

Thanks Built At Westerbrook Holland Thanks i found the info the boat,it is steel built at westerbrook ship yard in holland.You are right some van de stadts were home built i think one built at a Dutch shipyard should be ok they have a great reputation for quality craft.

Provided they are professionally built or built to a professional standard most Van de Stadts are great boats. We have a 34' steel, built late 80's and have never had any cause to regret the purchase. While a 34' steeler is never going to be the fastest thing on the water she still sails quite well enough though she needs a bit of wind to get going. Reality is that's a feature of most small(ish) steel boats. We didn't set out to buy a steel boat, indeed we bought her despite that fact. It's true some Stadt's have odd interior arrangements but in the main they are comfortable boats for long term cruising or liveaboard. While we'd like to go a bit bigger in the long term, I'd happily sail our old girl anywhere. If you like, let me know which designs you are looking at and if I am able I'll comment on the specific designs. Cheers (and welcome to the forum) ps - Van de Stads have been built as production boats, e.g The early model Dehler 34 was a Van de Stadt but most are built from plans. There are also a number of them in cold moulded, aluminium and plywood (older boats). Evans Starzinger & Beth Leonard ( Beth & Evans ) sail a particularly lovely example of a VdS and if you can find a copy there is an article by an Australian couple cruising an older model VdS in the current issue of the Australian mag, Cruising Helmsman.

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03-01-2021, 13:04
Boat: Beneteau Idylle 1150	and comments above. We owned a 1/3 share of a Van de Stadt 34 when we lived in Jakarta, . It was GRP built in Sri Lanka, possibly before it was clear just how strong GRP is because the was seriously overbuilt. Nonetheless, it sailed just fine for our first . All three owners, including me, managed to put her up on a reef (charts for the cruising grounds were mostly 100 year old Dutch which we augmented with - one of the owners was an geologist and this was in pre GE days), but it was still look and see sailing. Banging into managed to knock the off but that was pretty much it. The boat could probably have been used as an ice breaker given its strength and weight. I have always thought it would be interesting to own a metal boat but have only considered for all of the reasons noted by previous posters. I can imagine that is only slightly less time and consuming than for material. I prefer to spend time sailing rather than maintaining but recognize that no matter what a boat is made of, time is always extensive. I would worry a lot about that if I were . Our Van de Stadt had a but it was still hard to find for that in . Subsequent have had Yanmars, and Volvos. The boat with a is in and I have my fingers crossed that we will not need any Perkins specific beyond belts and filters for that boat because they will be hard to find. Our other boat has a , parts for which are easy to find but very expensive. Lastly, I suggest that you a few to better understand what you like and don't like about various designs. Its much cheaper and easier to do that than to buy the wrong boat. Good luck, I'm sure that the boat for you is out there somewhere.

03-01-2021, 13:28
Boat: 1976 Sabre 28-2	. The exterior is poor but what you'd expect for a boat exposed to the elements. The real test is the condition of the on the inside. boats rust out from the inside out. If the bilges were dry and/or freshwater is the only inside the boat it could be in very good condition. Only a careful anywhere you can see the hull will tell the tale. Steel is heavy and smaller boats pay a with a greater part of the boats in the hull plating. Still steel construction doesn't mean the boat will be a dog. From the underbody design she should sail reasonably well in all conditions but may be a bit as weight may be less because of the steel plating. On ocean passages you will be a lot happier in a dry boat with no dripping on your berth which a steel boat offers. A faster boat that can be a ender and I haven't owned a glass boat that doesn't have some leak that can't be cured except with a large injection of . She may not plane like a Pogo but should do reasonably well in the trades. We cruised on a W32 which is notorious for being slow but typically made faster passages than other boats with longer water lines. The telling point will be the condition of the hull and you'll have to dig into the boat to determine that. FWIW Steel boats require religious attention to rust prevention. They are not low boats. Then again, a steel boat in good condition is about the safest boat you can own, floating containers be damned.

03-01-2021, 15:17

and having owned a steel boat for may years I can confirm that Hendrik is correct and that a lot of what has been said here is simply misinformation. There is a lot of uninformed prejudice and bias about so be careful who you listen to.

The Van de Stadt 34 is a good design that well and (assuming it is correctly built) it will resist impact damage that would destroy most GRP boats. Most of us have gone aground from time to time (and especially when learning). Steel is very forgiving.

A well-built and well-painted steel boat can last for a long, long time if maintained correctly. I have inspected 40 year old steel boats that had no rust whatsoever and never had. The whole idea that maintenance on a steel boat is unending is a myth but it is true that you have to be careful to avoid letting any damage go unattended as rust can creep under good paint once it gets started. Cleanliness and good ventilation is the basic maintenance that is needed and these make on board living more pleasant anyway.

Steel boats do tend to rust from the inside so look in all the most inaccessible places (under motor/toilet/shower/bilge/anchor locker etc) using a powerful torch and mirror if needed. Particularly look for uneven layers of paint and explore these gently with a scraper. If there is any fresh paint over rust this is a very bad sign. At the very minimum all rust should be passivated (preferably removed completely) prior to over-coating.

Modern paints are excellent and if used correctly they are tough and very resistant to damage. It looks to me as if the undercoat/primer may be zinc rich which can cause blistering below the waterline externally.

This boat looks really good despite the cosmetics.

The idea that you cannot have a good steel cruising yacht under 12m is absolute rubbish. Obviously if it's built out of 6mm plate it will be too heavy to perform well but if it was built and rigged to Van de Stadt's specifications it will sail well. I do not know the so cannot comment.

03-01-2021, 22:21
Boat: Volkscruiser	. That Vanderstadt could be a good buy, they really need a to determine if she is worth touching. At the same time they need to be the there with the getting a lesson in what to look for. Cheers

03-01-2021, 22:35

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That Vanderstadt could be a good buy, they really need a to determine if she is worth touching. At the same time they need to be the there with the surveyor getting a lesson in what to look for.
Cheers

04-01-2021, 11:50

Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar

, , boom, , chain, winches, windlasses, anchors, electrics etc) in near new condition, can seriously outweigh any advantages that FG offers. If one then opts to buy an old steel boat, then those advantages are .

Cheers,

Rick

04-01-2021, 12:49
Boat: no boat any more	), I seem to remember these (80ies) designs were by Cees van Tongeren & very modern for their times (frameless, plans for the hull-panel-outlines,...) & fast for the type of boat they were designed to be. The Dutch have a long tradition of designing & building in metal, & while we have seen quite a few metal (mostly steel)-abominations down under, The have quite a number of really good looking, reasonably fast steel (& aluminium) boats. Still: as first boat a steel boat...not sure I'd recommend it...

04-01-2021, 12:55
Boat: no boat any more

04-01-2021, 20:06
Boat: 12m aluminium centreboarder	welded to (a suitably reinforced) can resist impact that would sheer off or significantly damage the internal structure of a GRP one. I've inspected many GRP boats that have suffered such damage. I've known of some that have sunk. Many years ago in NZ my steel yacht fell forward off a slipway dropping onto its stem from about 2m (~6'). Damage? Localised paint damage to the boat, a significant gouge in the concrete, the handle broken off a cup that fell in the sink and a dent in my pride. About 100 miles off the mouth of the Amazon we sailed past a log that was significantly bigger than our boat. Scary. Ocean cruising is not all about speed. The feeling of that a well built metal hull gives is worth quite a bit. I've delivered quite a few modern GRP boats (Beneteaus, Bavarias etc ) and find it unnerving how the boats shudder when pounding to windward. Yes, these are relatively light and sail well to windward but I find myself slowing down for comfort. It must be acknowledged that this is largely a function of modern yacht design and GRP can withstand a huge amount of flexure (as can steel).

04-01-2021, 20:34
Boat: Bavara 37/Soling 27	FRP = fibre-reinforced plastic GRP = glass-reinforced plastic [TMI for now: A GRP uses fibers, so it is an FRP. However, there are FRPs that are not GRPs, such as carbon-reinforced polymers, for example, which do not use glass.] FG = . OP = Cruiser Forum-speak for the original post/original poster. Also, notice that the conversation is going to be often broken down among people who've sailed them, people who've built them, people who've surveyed them, and people who have other reasons to have opinions. The value of this forum is that nearly everyone has something useful, some resource, some experience, so I'm reconfirming that you're doing a good thing to come here EVEN IF reading this thread you see every possible opinion about that boat in particular and that kind of boat in general. The best possible , of course, is to get a surveyor to see it before you buy. Depending on where you are, people here on this forum might be able to recommend someone. The second-best possible advice is that the age and the price and the fact that the seller says it will need suggests that the discounted price of 15,000 Euro added to in in cash that you will pay contractors, or in labor by you (if you want to learn how to boats). There's a about a cruiser who completely rebuilt her steel boat. You can see everything she's done. It'll give you an idea of the kinds of projects that might pop up. I second the concern about that relatively rare auxiliary (boat speak for engine). Finding parts is one of those things you don't realize is going to be a problem until you can't find that particular part. Replacing them is wicked expensive. Same deal with the rigging and : Tired sails are sails that can fail you at the worst possible time. Those are things that don't immediately occur to you when you see a listing and it says "there are sails and an engine that work." Best of luck, and keep us posted!

06-01-2021, 13:51
	Survey 101 link - great resource. A few comments on the emergent themes: We would do well to clarify that we have targeted the Van de Stadt 34 based on the favorable review in Get Real, Get Gone coupled with, what is for us at least, as inexperienced sailors, a convincing argument for steel. Basically, were not looking to reinvent the . Whilst we might be able to appreciate the relative handling characteristics, layout etc. by trying out a range of boats, we cannot really pretend to know what we need. We'd rather do targeted based on a model recommendation. That being said, what models could people recommend for a good starter boat in GRP between 30 and 40 foot and circa 30kEUR (plus 15kEUR contingency)? Preference for an ample fin keel and skeg-hung . I suspect this already needs another thread. We looked at the Bayfield 32 and Twenty small sailboats to take you anywhere (John Vigor) but these appear overwhelmingly to be models more common in the US. For reference, were in Paris/Lille (for now). As many of you pointed out, we note that it is critical to establish whether there is rust on the inside of the hull. This was covered in Get Real, Get Gone with a specific mention of the importance/challanges of gaining access to the hull internally (thanks, Rick). Based on our relatively limited , we had not come across this manufacturer so definitely take note that this is unfavorable regarding spares/maintenance. Best wishes, Oliver and Laurine

06-01-2021, 15:02
Boat: Retired from CF	in steel for a number of reasons and so far i admit that i only met one sailing couple , but they were very experienced , that share my liking for steel so the comments here only reflect what i have received in real life. Yes maintenance is there but is also there , i can relatevely easy fix a hole in any island village in the Pacific myself and get to a bigger port where i just grind it off and get it pro fixed. The VDS sails very well close to the , i made about 80 nm a day. One point i have to say is that she has a very long Fin keel and i draw 2.1 m and that has put some limitations on me where i can and can not go. I am happy with my decission but i do not argue or critisise others for making a different decission. Good luck.

06-01-2021, 15:51
Boat: Beneteau 432, C&C Landfall 42, Roberts Offshore 38	, but I don't know who built this boat. Don't worry too much about performance...this boat will get you where you want....but get it surveyed..... 15,000 EU is about $18,500.....that is a pretty good price for a 34 footer....if it passes survey !!

06-01-2021, 22:03
Boat: no boat any more	(& possibly French?) puts a whole new aspect to your boatsearch. You are in THE cruising nation of the world, with the longest (& imho most interesting & relevant) "cruising culture" bar none!!! Just wander around the , talk to boatowners (there used to be many french steelboats on the bluewter-rtw circuit), get hold of two in the "Hors Serie" of the - sadly now defunct magazine "Loisirs nautiques": first: La Plaisance Francaise a la decouverte de ses architects" & in the same series the one about "Construction Aluminium" by Caroff. Try to get hold of old issues of the Loisirs nautiques magazine, imho the very best one by far if you are delving into cruising boat design. (In my time I gobbled up everything available about the subject in German, & French & we bought 2 boats in - if you are "francophone" - that's where to look!). If in the market for a steel boat look to & maybe (attention: the Krauts are ugliness-champions when it comes to metal boats!).

07-01-2021, 05:22
Boat: Beneteau 432, C&C Landfall 42, Roberts Offshore 38

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E. G. Van de Stadt

Ericus Gerhardus van de Stadt (1910-1999) was one of the pioneers of modern yacht design. (Extract from the book: “E.G. van de Stadt YACHT DESIGN PIONEER”) In 1933, he and his wife Lies started a boatyard at Zaandam, where they lived aboard a houseboat, designing and building canoes and dinghies. They developed a successful business despite the set back of World War II, and not overcoming their starting losses until 1950. Among many innovations in yacht designs: the wing section fin keel and balanced spade rudder combination, the first very fast plywood yachts, the world’s first series production fiberglass yacht, and the world’s first maxi - “Stormvogel”. Although he participated in the development of the IOR rule, he later resigned from the International Technical Committee in protest over the US dominance in offshore racing rules as well as his feeling that the rule was fostering a less than seaworthy type of yacht. He was reserve helmsman on the Dutch Olympic sailing team in 1936 and was very successful in offshore racing for many years. In 1978 he sold his boatyard to Dehler and spent the rest of his career concentrating on design. After his retirement, Van de Stadt Design was run by the partners Cees W. van Tongeren, Hans R.F. Korner, Klaas Buis, Walter Galjaard and Anita de Vos. E.G. van de Stadt and partners continued to produce many designs and have been at the forefront of research into yacht aerodynamics and hydrodynamics. The company has produced over 400 designs since 1933 and there are some 25.000 van de Stadts afloat in the world today.

148 Sailboats designed by E. G. Van de Stadt

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Sea Mini 21

Sprinta Sport

Jeanneau Alize 20

Dehler 35 Cws

Trintella I

Trintella 29

Trintella II

Trintella III

Offshore 8 Meter

Winner 10.10

Trintella Iia

Trintella Iiia

Dehler 37 cr.

Trintella V

Trintella 38

Trintella 42

Trintella 44

Trintella 49A

Seacracker 33

Trintella 57a.

Trintella 45

Trintella 53

Trintella 44A

Van de stadt 30.

Junior Holiday 24

Dolphin 26 (Van DE Stadt)

Van DE Stadt 7.1

Trotter Pandora

Mirror Offshore MK II

Spirit 28 (Van DE Stadt)

Dehler 37 db.

Dehler Optima 101

Dehler 36 Cws

Dehler 36 DB

Dehler Optima 106

Dehler Delanta 76

Dehler Optima 92

Dehler Delanta 80

Dehler Optima 98 G

Dehler Duetta 86

Dehler duetta 94.

Dehler Optima 98

Dehler 25CR

Dehler Optima 83

Dehler 43 Cws

Dehler 39 Cws

Royal Cape One-Design

Glass Slipper 50

Splinter 21

Mirror Offshore MK I

Sprinter 32

Winner 9.00.

Winner 12.20

Winner 9.50

Winner 11.20

Holiday 32 carib.

Trintella IV

Trintella IA

Trintella 35.

Pandora MK I

Pandora International

Pandora 700

Prospect 900

Holiday 24 (Sailor)

Valk (Falcon)

Yachting World Seahorse

Spirit 24 (Van DE Stadt)

Friendship 33

Van DE Stadt 29 (Sea Dog 29)

Buccaneer (Stadt)

Selecta 940

Flying Tern

Van DE Stadt 44

Cumulant 40

Sea Dog 29 (Van DE Stadt)

Jeanneau Storm

Excalibur 36

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Van de Stadt 34: what is your opinion ?

Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by lluca , Dec 22, 2013 .

lluca New Member

Hi, I live in Switzerland and I'm looking to build a sailboat (or buy a hull) to take a cruise around the world, eventually in Patagonia. Requirements are: _ must be a boat for sailing solo _ not too big to transport via road to the sea (probably in Genova) _ solid construction, Class A (safety!) _ good quality marine, even under challenging sea _ discrete-good sailing performance in light winds I saw the Van de Stadt 34: this frameless project, in aluminum , could meet my requirements in safety and quality marine ? Normally the Van de Stadt project have a good reputation... Personal experiences-advices are appreciated, thank you! Cheers Luca

gonzo Senior Member

Do you need to have it built in Switzerland?

Yes, I live in Switzerland and would like to build it here in order to bring forward the building in my spare time (in the evenings and at weekends). Build it near the sea is unthinkable for me, it takes 4 hours by car... Meanwhile I am also considering the Reinke 10M: seems to correspond better to my requirements ... http://www.reinke-yacht.de/

PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

Welcome to the forum. Both yachts would be transportable, but not easily. You'd need a marine hauler and the associated special permitting and route refinement. A new build would be much more costly, then purchasing a used yacht and having it upgraded, to suit your blue water requirements. A quick search netted many very suitable yachts at reasonable prices.

Hi PAR, thank you for your advice ! Do you mean to buy a used yacht already at sea and do upgrade it? I know that buying a used yacht and upgraded it is more cheaper than building it, but if I buy one near the sea and then I have to take trips to working for the upgrade it, probably costs more to build it here to me. To go into an area close to the sea, round trip costs me around 120 Euro each time (more than eight hours of travel lost each week ends). Also I could only work on the weekends and not in the evenings during the week. But if you mean to buy a used yacht and take it in Switzerland, this could be certainly interesting and I'm already looking... The Reinke 10m seems to be the ideal boat for me, because: _ corresponds to my requirements _ I do not need a special transport, because the maximum beam is 3 meters and does not exceed a height of 4 meters. Above these measures becomes an exceptional transport that require the authorization, with higher costs for transport. Sorry for my bad english...

waikikin Senior Member

lluca said: ↑ Hi PAR, thank you for your advice ! Do you mean to buy a used yacht already at sea and do upgrade it? I know that buying a used yacht and upgraded it is more cheaper than building it, but if I buy one near the sea and then I have to take trips to working for the upgrade it, probably costs more to build it here to me. To go into an area close to the sea, round trip costs me around 120 Euro each time (more than eight hours of travel lost each week ends). Also I could only work on the weekends and not in the evenings during the week. But if you mean to buy a used yacht and take it in Switzerland, this could be certainly interesting and I'm already looking... The Reinke 10m seems to be the ideal boat for me, because: _ corresponds to my requirements _ I do not need a special transport, because the maximum beam is 3 meters and does not exceed a height of 4 meters. Above these measures becomes an exceptional transport that require the authorization, with higher costs for transport. Sorry for my bad english... Click to expand...

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Review of Horizon (van de stadt)

Basic specs..

The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season. And outside the sailing season, just bottom cleaning and perhaps anti-fouling painting once a year - a few hours of work, that's all.

The boat is equipped with 80.0 liter fresh water capacity.

The boat equipped with a masthead rig. The advantage of a masthead rig is its simplicity and the fact that a given sail area - compared with a fractional rig - can be carried lower and thus with less heeling moment.

The Horizon (van de stadt) is equipped with a fin keel. A boat with a fin keel is more manoeuvrable but has less directional stability than a similar boat with a full keel.

The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 1.22 - 1.32 meter (4.00 - 4.30 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

Sailing characteristics

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?

The capsize screening value for Horizon (van de stadt) is 1.84, indicating that this boat could - if evaluated by this formula alone - be accepted to participate in ocean races.

What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?

The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 5.9 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Horizon (van de stadt) is about 92 kg/cm, alternatively 515 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 92 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 515 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

Sailing statistics

This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.

What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)?

What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?

What is a Ballast Ratio?

What is Displacement Length Ratio?

SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio) Indicates how fast the boat is in light wind: - Cruising Boats have ratios 10-15 - Cruiser-Racers have ratios 16-20 - Racers have ratios above 20 - High-Performance Racers have ratios above 24 Sail-area/displacement ratio (SA/D ratio): 18.46

Maintenance

When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 16m 2 (172 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need.

If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful.


Usage	Length		Diameter
Jib sheet	7.4 m	(24.4 feet)	10 mm	(3/8 inch)
Genoa sheet	7.4 m	(24.4 feet)	10 mm	(3/8 inch)
Mainsheet	18.6 m	(60.9 feet)	10 mm	(3/8 inch)
Spinnaker sheet	16.3 m	(53.6 feet)	10 mm	(3/8 inch)

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COMMENTS

Van de Stadt thoughts? - Cruisers & Sailing Forums
Hey guys, I'm in the market for a new vessel and I'm torn between a Downeaster 38' and a Van de Stadt 45. They are both similarly priced, which concerns me for a boat that much bigger. Done quite a bit of googling with very little results in regards to the Van de Stadt.
USED BOAT: Van de Stadt, Legend 34 - Yachting Monthly
The Van de Stadt Legend 34 is a sturdy yacht, built for serious coastal and offshore cruising in all weathers. Duncan Kent sails one off Portland.
E. G. Van de Stadt | Sailboatdata.com
Ericus Gerhardus van de Stadt (1910-1999) was one of the pioneers of modern yacht design. In 1933, he and his wife Lies started a boatyard at Zaandam, where they lived aboard a houseboat, designing and building canoes and dinghies.
Van De Stadt. | SailNet Community
Is a well known Dutch yacht designer that has a good to excellent reputation. The attached link is the design house which still sell his plans / designs. VAN DE STADT DESIGN - Yacht Designers, Naval Architects. Ilenart.
Thoughts on this Van de Stadt 34? - Page 2 - Cruisers ...
The Van de Stadt 34 is a good design that sails well and (assuming it is correctly built) it will resist impact damage that would destroy most GRP boats. Most of us have gone aground from time to time (and especially when learning).
E. G. Van de Stadt — Designer — Sailboat Guide
Among many innovations in yacht designs: the wing section fin keel and balanced spade rudder combination, the first very fast plywood yachts, the world’s first series production fiberglass yacht, and the world’s first maxi - “Stormvogel”.
Van de Stadt 34: what is your opinion - Boat Design Net
The Van de Stadt is a lovely boat, my first larger boat build was a steel VDS 34 around 30 years ago for my own use at 20 years old. Fabrication was quite quick with some supervision from Dad, I sold her for a tidy profit & moved to the next.
Review of Van de Stadt 30 - www.yachtdatabase.com
The Van de Stadt 30 is a sailboat designed by the Dutch maritime architect E. G. van de Stadt in the early seventies.
Review of Horizon (van de stadt) - www.yachtdatabase.com
The Horizon (van de stadt) is a small sailboat designed by the Dutch maritime architect E. G. van de Stadt in the early sixties. The Horizon (van de stadt) is built by the Belgian yard Bootbouwerij A. J. Van Heygen P.V.B.A.
E. G. van de Stadt - Wikipedia
Ericus (Ricus) Gerhardus van de Stadt (4 February 1910 – 7 September 1999) was a Dutch yacht designer. He was the founder of industrial yacht building in the Netherlands. Yacht designer. E.G. van de Stadt went through the HTS (technical college), completing his training as a naval architect in 1932.