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Piana 30 is a 29 ′ 5 ″ / 9 m catamaran sailboat designed by Bertrand. Desray and built by Naval Force 3 starting in 1991.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

  • SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
  • D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

  • D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
  • LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

  • D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
  • LOA: Length overall in feet
  • Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

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The Piana 30 is a 29.5ft frac. sloop (rotating spar) designed by Bertrand. Desray and built in plywood and epoxy by Naval Force 3 (FRA) since 1991.

It accomodates 4 people in 2 cabins plus salon..

The Piana 30 is an ultralight sailboat which is a very high performer. The fuel capacity is originally very small. There is a short water supply range.

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Model Piana 30
Length 29.50 ft
Beam 16.33 ft
Draft 2.33 ft
Country France (Europe)
Estimated price $ 0 ??

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Sail area / displ. 30.14
Ballast / displ. 0 %
Displ. / length 83.10
Comfort ratio 5.84
Capsize 3.94
Hull type Catamaran Twin Keel
Construction Plywood and epoxy
Waterline length 29 ft
Maximum draft 2.33 ft
Displacement 4540 lbs
Ballast 0 lbs
Hull speed 7.22 knots

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Rigging Frac. Sloop (Rotating Spar)
Sail area (100%) 515 sq.ft
Air draft 44.33 ft
Sail area fore 237 sq.ft
Sail area main 301 sq.ft
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Nb engines 1
Total power 20 HP
Fuel capacity 13 gals

Accommodations

Water capacity 53 gals
Headroom 5.74 ft
Nb of cabins 2
Nb of berths 4
Nb heads 1

Builder data

Builder Naval Force 3 (FRA)
Designer Bertrand. Desray
First built 1991
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Number built 0 ??

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PIANA 30 Sailboat Data

Hull Type: Catamaran Twin Keel Rigging Type: Frac. Sloop (Rotating Spar) LOA: 29.50 ft / 8.99 m LWL: 29.00 ft / 8.84 m S.A. (reported): 515.00 ft² / 47.85 m² Beam: 16.33 ft / 4.98 m Displacement: 4,540.00 lb / 2,059 kg Max Draft: 2.33 ft / 0.71 m Construction: Plywood-epoxy First Built: 1991 Builder: Chantier Naval Force 3 Designer: Bertrand. Desray

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Fuel: 13 gals / 49 L Water: 53 gals / 201 L Hull Speed: 7.22 kn

Specifications PIANA 30

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14-08-2016, 05:27  
Boat: Fountaine Pajot - Lucia 40
. looking for €67,000. VAT has been paid.

Pictures are at

It's a fun small cruising cat built by Naval Force 3 weighing less than 2 tonnes and is built of ply and equipped with twin 9.9 HP outboards and 50 Sq Mtrs of plain sail. My predecessor claims he managed 18.4 knts - I suspect this may have been over the ground in a fast tide. I've managed 12 knots but I'm fairly cautious and tend to reef early.

She sleeps 4 in three cabins. Two singles forward in each and a small double aft in the starboard . There's the possibility of making a double in the (but I've never worked out how to do this!).

Elstrom Full Battened Main 28 Sq Mtr
Profurl in boom
Elstrom on ProFurl 22 Sq Mtr
Asymentric and sock 55 Sq Mtr
pole
12 Mtr

1 * 40ST
2 * 16 ST

Hulls epoxied 2013
New Trampoline 2014
Topsides professionally painted 2015
Coachroof and professionally repainted 2016, non-slip renewed.

Shorepower
New Quick 30 amp 2016
Nasa BM-1 fitted 2016
2 * 100 AH
1 * 80 watt 1 * 35 watt.
Two charge controllers

ST1000+ Tillerpilot
Wind/Log/Depth

MLR
Ocean

2 Burner hob and fresh to
Waeco CR50 12V Fridge

Sea

Fresh to heads sink
Curtain
evacuation .

Manual Winch
40 Mtrs 8 mm chain
Britany pattern
Foblight E10 kedge anchor plus 40 Mtrs leaded anchor line
8 Fenders
Shore lines


Bombard Dingy AX2
Foot
Oars
2HP

2 Mariner 9.9 HP outboards
2 10 Litre
2 30 Litre
2 * Water filters for petrol.
Teleflex replaced 2016

table
shade
Swimming/boarding ladder

Any questions please PM me. ,
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22-08-2016, 19:52  
Boat: Currently yachtless
tacks in the video (particularly the first 2 tracks) could I ask what they were?
23-08-2016, 13:22  
Boat: Fountaine Pajot - Lucia 40
tacks in the video (particularly the first 2 tracks) could I ask what they were?
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Boat: Fountaine Pajot - Lucia 40

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C'est dans ce cadre idyllique que je fais connaissance avec le Piana 30, dernier né du chantier Naval Force 3. 

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8 Best Catamarans That Are 30 Feet or Less

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Large-sized catamarans are appealing due to their ample spacing and comfort. Therefore, a cruising family or couple looking to buy a boat is more likely to go for one of these. But are there small cruising catamarans that provide the performance, comfort, and amenities found in larger boats?  

The best catamarans under 30 feet (9.14 m) include the TomCat 6.2, Cadillac 27and 30, Gemini 30, Endeavour 30, and Maine Cat. These time-tested cruising cats are easy to handle, premium built, and are great for daytime sailing, overnight trips, and some even suitable for long-range sea passages. 

In this article, you’ll find a list of the best cruising catamarans below 30 feet (9.14 m). Keep reading to discover which catamarans make this list, what they have to offer, their pros and cons, and how much they cost.

If you are unsure whether or not 30ft is too small for your needs, then I suggest you check out another article I wrote named Best Size Catamaran , it will discuss why length matters and how it affects safety.

Unlike most catamarans designed for racing purposes, the TomCat 6.2 is a medium-sized cat that’s well-suited to daytime cruising. It boasts high-quality construction, vacuum-bagged hulls, and a plywood-reinforced deck.

This 20 footer (6.09 m) comes with an 11-foot (3.35 m) beam and not only offers you safety and comfort but performance and versatility as well. 

This boat has a centrally placed outboard engine and two rudders that allow it to turn quickly and maneuver confidently into and out of marina slips. The 9.9 hp outboard propels it to speeds of around 8 knots (9.21 mph or 14.8 kph), though the boat has the potential to move faster if desired.

This simpler type of cat (just one engine as an example) also allows for cheaper and easier maintenance. Maintenance costs are something most people underestimate when getting a cat, if you want to get some real numbers from actual sailors then I suggest you read this article (How much does it cost to maintain a cat).

The boat sails with minimal heeling, comfortably accommodate 6-8 people, and you can sail it single-handed or take a crew. 

High and narrow hulls bearing arched bottoms allow for a low wetted surface. The hull design provides low resistance and a great deal of reserved buoyancy and also enables you to drive through closely spaced waves.

On most 20-footers (6.1 m), driving through waves generates a smooth but wet ride, but with the TomCat’s enclosed deck (link to parts names explained here ), you are safe and protected behind a windshield and the high bulwark.

The TomCat makes an excellent cruiser because it performs impressively well both under sail and power. It combines the performance of a modern sailing cat with the comfort, style, and convenience of a powerboat. It’s also trailerable since you can detach the hulls from the deck , winch up the deck on a trailer, and slide the hulls underneath.

But the best part is that it’s easy on the pocket, with the price ranging between $36,750 and $44,580 .

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Catalac 30 (9M)

The Catalac brand consists of strongly built vessels that sport thick hulls, glass windows, narrow beams, and vertical transoms . Catalac 30 was the first vessel in this popular British cruising line designed by Tom Lack in the late 60s. The boat’s appeal was attributed to its safety, ample spacing, well-built interior, and load-carrying abilities.

These characteristics are extremely important on a safe catamaran, overloading your cat makes it sit lower in the water, increases drag, reduces handling and speed, there is stuff you should know about this (so that you can make an educated buy). I have created an article where I try to explain the basics of a safe cat ( link here )

Sporting 5 berths, a massive galley, plus a cockpit with a sheltered steering position, the 30-foot (9.1 m) Catalac makes an excellent floating home for a cruising family. It sails exceptionally well, doesn’t heel ( heeling explained here ), and delivers a reasonable motor-sailer level of performance.

Furthermore, the hulls provide adequate headroom, allowing those on board to move around comfortably, and there’s enough space on the deck for sunbathing. 

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The Catalac’s structure features solid fiberglass, chined hulls, and a staggered sheerline that allows easy aft access. With a modest rig that’s easy to handle, the Catalac can deliver top speeds of up to 12-14 knots (13.81-16.11 mph / 22.22-25.9 kph) under sail.

Given that the boat’s design focuses more on comfort than speed, this is a spectacular performance.  

Catalac 9M requires a skilled hand when turning into the wind as it is prone to blowing sideways. This is because the boat lacks ballast (which helps in keeping momentum during a tack) but also centerboards ( explained here ).

Skills are always the most essential things to bring aboard and you can acquire them in many ways, my two favorite ways are through NauticEd courses (two free courses here ) or by reading books (my top 15 books here )

Back to the boat! This model came in two versions; the standard layout contained a 30-40hp outboard, while the second option had duo engines. The latter is easier to maneuver into a marina. 

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These cats retain their value pretty well. However, they might not be easy to come by since most owners find it challenging to get their hands on a larger boat with similar qualities and performance.

A Catalac 30 (9M) goes for between $33,000 and $55,000.

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Catalac 27 (8M)

The Catalac 27 8M is a pocket cruiser that boasts a strong reputation for high quality, durability, and strength. Besides, the boat’s design makes it somewhat suitable for bluewater sailing ( understand why the small size is an offshore problem).

Built like a battleship, the boat contains solid fiberglass hulls. Additionally, it comes with double engines, a large cockpit fitted with cushions all around, and features standing headroom in each hull.

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Like the Catalac 9M, this boat comes with two different layouts; a twin inboard diesel engine or an outboard engine. The twin-engine models can motor up to 1000 km (621 miles, read more on cat fuel consumption here ) without needing to refuel, while the 70 amps of charge plus water tanks (70 gallons / 265 liters) make these vessels remarkable coastal cruisers. 

Catalacs equipped with outboard engines sail faster since you can raise the engine during sailing and are also lighter. This helps to minimize drag . Catalac 8M sports a short but thick mast that helps make the boat stable. 

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Though small in size, this catamaran packs a lot of features in its small frame. It has a full-sized berth, a large galley that’s almost 8 feet (2.4 m) long, a quarter berth, head, and navigation station.

What’s more, the cockpit is as large as that of a 38 to 40-foot (11.5 to 12.1 m) cat.

Catalac 27 costs about $31,836.

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The Endeavour 30 

The Endeavour 30 catamaran is a boat characterized by stability, ample deck space, and a spacious interior. It boasts fast cruising speeds under both sail and power.

The boat has mini keels and rudders plus symmetrical hulls separated by a hydra-cell. The latter is a center section with a characteristic V-shape. 

The boat’s vacuum-bagged construction helps enhance strength and stiffness while reducing weight. Furthermore, the interior has a fiberglass mold, providing extra strength and rigidity. With sufficient breeze, this vessel can deliver reasonable off-the-wind and doable upwind speeds.

As such, you can expect to attain speeds of about ~10 knots (11.51 mph or 18.5 kph) on power reaches. Below is a video showing a panoramic tour of the Endeavour 30:

This vessel has the internal capacity of a 40-foot (12.1 m) monohull. And you can tell this from the unique layout merging the cabin and cockpit with wide doors to the numerous features packed into this 30-foot (9.14 m) vessel.

It has a spacious salon, an enormous galley, two queen berth staterooms with plenty of storage space, a head with separate showers, and a sizable U-shaped dinette. 

You can get this boat for under $50,000 .

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The Geminis by Tony Smith were the United States’s first production cruising cats. Today, these vessels remain the most appealing American-built cruising catamarans. Built between 1981 and 1990, the Gemini 30 does not have a contemporary design, but it works remarkably well for cruisers desiring generous living space in a small affordable sailboat.

At only 14 feet (4.2 m) across, Gemini cats are somewhat narrow. But this mean s they can easily fit into most of the regular marina berths.

Besides, the boats still contain enough interior space for a queen-size double berth and two smaller doubles housed in separate guest rooms.

There’s also a modest but serviceable saloon with duo settees and a collapsible table that can transform into an additional double berth.

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For the Gemini 30, this translates to a cruising cat with standing headroom that can comfortably accommodate 3 couples in private cabins or a family with small children. A good-sized galley, a spacious head with a shower, nav desk, and a large comfy cockpit make up the Gemini 30’s cruising palace.

Catamaran layout is highly personal and if you want to learn more about different characteristics then I suggest you read my article Designing the perfect catamaran layout ( Link )

While not that fast, the Gemini 30 will easily outsail the Endeavor 30 discussed above. Its daggerboards (which are explained in detail here ) can point well, and if you keep it light, it can do 7-8 knots (12.9-14.8 km/hr) under sail.

Besides, raising the daggerboards reduces the wetted surface area, and increases the speed downwind.

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The Gemini 30 tends to pound and hobbyhorse a little when sailing in choppy waters – particularly when overloaded (more on load carrying capabilities in this article ), but the deep pivoting daggerboards provide stability and lift underwater.

Furthermore, the Gemini’s retractable rudders enable it to venture into shallow waters.

This is a very popular cruising cat that’ll give you a lot of bang for your bucks.

You can find a Gemini for less than $65,000.

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Maine Cat 30 

The Maine Cat 30 combines premium quality construction materials with the most advanced building techniques to create a lightweight vessel capable of handling most offshore conditions. What’s more, this boat can remain trouble-free for years on end with little effort.

If you are in the market for a simple liveaboard cruiser that you can use for a short weekend getaway or a cruising voyage, this is it.

The boat has a sizable primary stateroom berth with ample overhead space and a dresser fitted with a hanging storage cabinet. The enormous head includes a toilet, sink, 20-gallon (75.71 L) holding tank, vanity, and a pressurized shower.

Covering the open bridgedeck is a permanent hardtop. This spacious bridgedeck can hold quite a crowd and comes with a convertible dinette that turns into an extra berth. If need be, you can even enclose the entire space using acrylic windows or screens. Gabo

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The 360-degree visibility from the cockpit allows the captain plus the crew a panoramic view, and all sail controls go back to the cockpit, which is very useful if wanting to sail single-handedly.

I believe that most boats should be set up in this way since sooner or later you might be in a situation where there is only one person to handle the controls, such as in an emergency. But more on that in another article ( Link ).

The Maine Cat 30 is a classic boat that delivers on high-performance multihull sailing. Designed to offer much better performance than catamarans bearing tall and heavy bridge decks, this cat weighs less and suffers less windage thanks to the acrylic windows.

The boat’s interior layout allows for easy cleaning as surfaces sport a smooth gel coat and satin-finished cherry trim. The solid but lightweight furniture bears the same Core-Cell foam core employed on the hull, deck, and hardtop. Plus, there’s ample storage for all your sailing equipment, cleaning supplies, and provisions.

A Maine Cat 30 can cost up to $110,000.

Heavenly Twins 27

The overall design of this well-equipped catamaran makes it a superb pocket cruiser.

Heavenly Twins 27 manages to fit not one but two coachroofs on hulls that are only 27 feet (8.20 m) long. Canoe sterns and a central cockpit separating the duo coachroofs form the boat’s other prominent features. 

Famous for their excellent build quality, medium-depth draft, and narrow beams, Heavenly Twins 27 appeals to a wide range of boating enthusiasts.

These include solo sailors, weekend sailors, cruising families, circumnavigators, beginner sailors, and experienced liveaboards such as this famous Youtube channel “Kittiwake”.

The vessels house double cabins in the hulls while the forward starboard contains the heads and, to port, the galley. You can easily access the bar from the well-protected cockpit while the Comfordesk accommodation converts into a double dock. 

A stoop through allows access from below-deck to the aft compartment without going through the cockpit. There’s ample storage space throughout the boat, plus you can section off the large stateroom into smaller double compartments if desired.

The price range for this boat is $ 20,098 to $24,193. (I believe that kittiwake is for sale too)

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The last cruising catamaran on my list is the Aquilon 26 . This French-built cruising vessel is light in weight and trailerable, which means you can disassemble it in a few hours or transport it as-is.

Designing a boat that is possible to disassemble usually means that it is structurally less strong, which by no means is a problem during coastal sailing but the Aquilon 26 is mostly attractive to sailors who prefer inland lake sailing. It’s also suitable for beginner sailors.

Although there are no real “beginner cats” there are specs to consider if you are a beginner with catamarans, most of them I have listed in another article ( here ). Gabo

This 26-footer (7.92 m) has the potential for good speed though its layout is anything but conventional- which forms part of its appeal.

The cockpit works as the saloon, and a full bimini protects the crew from lousy weather. The starboard hull contains a dinette and galley, and the port has a double berth stateroom. The windows are quite unusual, but they provide lots of light, remarkably enhancing interior visibility.

Aquilon 26 can deliver an average cruising speed of 10knots (11.51 mph or 18.5 kph).

On a beam reach, you can expect around 25 knots (28.77 mph or 46.3 kph) with an adequate breeze ( I have never sailed at 25knots but researching this boat supposedly it is possible).

You can get this boat for under $50,000.

What Makes Small Cruising Cats Attractive?

Small cruising cats are ideal for sailing along the coast. But that’s not all. Under capable hands, properly fitted smaller cats can also deliver spectacular offshore passages similar to their larger counterpart (Heres a list of full-sized bluewater cats).

They can operate over long cruise ranges, cross oceans , and circumnavigate the globe . Smaller cats are also suitable for day sailing, overnight trips, and coastal or inland voyages. 

For most sailors, comfort on board is crucial, so they’ll look for a vessel that guarantees a comfortable cruising experience. The good thing is that smaller vessels provide almost the same qualities and amenities that bigger vessels offer. Plus, you can do quite a bit with the available space, especially if it’s well laid out.  

You’ll find that most 30-footer (9.14 m) or more miniature cruising cats comprise a galley, head, bunks, navigation and entertainment electronics, and refrigeration.

Sailors usually talk about these benefits of smaller cats:

  • They’re less expensive. Large boats are costly to buy. They also cost more to hire, maintain, and dock. You can buy a small-sized boat at a much lower price, and parts tend to cost less too. Besides, you get to use smaller sails, winches, and lighter lines than those applicable on a larger boat. And since marine services such as moorings and haul-outs get billed via boat length, a smaller cat makes sailing more affordable.
  • They boast superior builds. Most cruising boats under 30 feet (9.14 m) feature designs that are 30+ years old. In those days, weather forecasts were hard to come by and not as accurate, so boat builders used hulls with thicker fiberglass than the type found in today’s builds. Furthermore, everything in the boat, including rigs, rudders, hulls, keels and decks, was designed to withstand strong winds and high waves. 
  • They have simpler systems. This means less time spent fixing and maintaining your boat. For instance, most small cruising cats often lack water-makers, hot water systems, or electric anchor windlasses. 
  • They’re easier to handle. Smaller cats are simpler to sail than larger cats. It’s also easier to sail one single-handed or with a small crew.

What is the largest cat on person can sail?

The Disadvantages of Smaller Cruising Cats

Below are some of the most discussed downsides of small cats:

  • They have limited living space, storage, and amenities.
  • Though they don’t heel much, they are less comfortable than larger boats since they get tossed around much more easily in big ocean swells.
  • It’s not easy to accommodate crew for extended periods; hence there are fewer hands to share work.
  • They are slower and take longer to get to their destination.

Though fewer are on the cruising trails than their larger counterparts, small catamarans make ideal cruisers because they are simple, seaworthy, and pocket-friendly.

When choosing the best cat for your needs, focus on quality rather than size. A well-planned 30-footer (9.14 m) is reliable and provides ample space for your accommodation, dining, and relaxation, plus a storage room for provisions and any spare parts you might need. 

And if you want even more info than I have presented to you in this article I would recommend a book from Serj, he makes it easy to understand why size matters and how to find a cat suited for your needs (amazon link )

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naval force 3 Le piana 30 catamaran

bonjour es ce que quelqu un connait ce bateau que faut il en penser il est assez cher à l occasion le CP epoxy il est considerer comme cotier pourquoi a cause de sa longueur? performance?

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Si tu regardes son fardage

Tu comprendras, avec un peu de connaissance en voilers, pourquoi il est considéré comme cotier. Cependant à modérer car de nombreux cotiers ont fait des transats . Cela veut quand même dire que ses capacité à remonter le vent seront modestes . il est par exemple aux antipodes des catas Lerouge de longueurs identiques, mais a une habitabilité de beaucoup supérieure . Tout dépend de ce que l'on recherche . . .

dans cette taille et avec cette habitabilité, je ne connais pas mieux

programme cotier, parce que je ne connais pas de cata de moins de 11m qui soit avec un programme hauturier (sauf les Warram peut être...)

mais suis je bien placé pour en parler? ;-)

ton bateau j ai regarde les photos et les explications avec interet mais il me semble un peu gros pour nos besoins et envies De plus j ai un mouillage dans le golfe du morbihan et il semble que je sois limité à 3t5 en plus je pense que ton bateau faisant 12m les tarifs de mouillage d 'assurance de vi=gnette de navigation etc doivent decupler entre 9 m (le piana) et le tien sinon il est tres beau et certainementplus performant difficile de se decider entre des compromis

tamata

Bien placé oui, mais peux tu en parler librement ? ;-)

Moi je le trouve pas mal et si j'avais à prendre un plus petit boat je le regarderai de pret mais c'est vrai qu'il est très cher d'occas ( il y a peut etre des raisons... ) et que l'on trouve plus grand au meme tarif, voir moins cher, un Wharram par exemple ;-) ;-) ;-)

Merci pour ton petit commentaire, c'est bien pour ça que j'ai écrit plus bas :

"pour le meme prix tu trouves plus grand est donc plus confortable ( à vivre et en nav ), le tout c'est est-ce que tu es pret à prendre plus grand où peux tu prendre plus grand ?"

Bonne recherche, Séb

Recidive

Dans ces tailles là Je pense que la nacelle habitable impose un roof trop haut.

Mais, je ne suis pas objectif non plus ! ;-)

menhir

Pour l'avoir vu je trouve qu'il manque un peu beaucoup de HSB dans le carré. Position assise obligée. Et puis, j'aime pas trop les HB comme moteur. Mais bien sûr CNCIV

ben vi mais il fait que 30 ' !

Alors mettre des IB c'est moyen .

clarivoile

Bon Il parait super pour cette taille et ce genre de programme. Quant a des Lerouge de cette taille, il n'y en a pas trop avec une telle habitabilite, si?

dans la gamme NF3 c'est le cata qui s'est le mieux vendu....il y a certainement une raison ;-)

Il est difficile de faire meilleur compromis dans cette taille donc c'est pas étonnant !

tiens on a même un magnifique Tamata ;-)

le piana 30 nous sommes allé en visiter un hier de 1992 encore tres propre pour la modique somme(!!!!!) de 65000 à 70000 euros je le trouve bien concu pour sa taille il nous plait bien pour de la randonnée etde la farniente type maison de campagne sur l eau mais qu en est il de ses performances le proprio me dit faire en moyenne du 7 à 7.5 noeud de moyenne la grand voile est d origine lattée es ce que cela influence bcp les performances du bateau cela semble cher pas grans chose de neuf un genois de 2 ou 3 ans deux moteur de 3a p a par cela rien de transacendant mais l interieur et la coque semble saine et propre voilà jacquot

le piana 30 tu connais sinon ce bateau comment marche il es ce un pris qui semble raisonnable

je trouve sa cote vraiment trop importante. En occasion pour les mêmes tarifs ou proche on a un maldives, un edel cat 35 ou encore le seawind 1000 (voir un passion 32 en cherchant un peu) tous nettement plus confortable.

MAGNIFIQUE Le mot est faible :-D

Non mais Sylvain29 a raison pour le meme prix tu trouves plus grand est donc plus confortable ( à vivre et en nav ), le tout c'est est-ce que tu es pret à prendre plus grand où peux tu prendre plus grand ?

Attention au CP Epoxy, bien regarder si ii n'y a pas de fissures ou de chocs mal réparés, l'eau peut s'infiltrer et provoquer du pourrissement. Un ami propriétaire d'un Punch 12.5 fait des découvertes de ce type assez souvent ! Sinon bon bateau assez marin même si "côtier" ce qui ne veut pas dire grand chose. Les HB sont très suffisants pour la marche du bateau, avec leurs inconvénients annexes : charge des batteries au minima, consommation et fragilité à cause des projections.

le piana 30 que s qui fait sa renommée tout du mooins son prix qui reste élever

a propos du maldives bonjour c est difficile à trouver j aimerai bien le maldives mais je n en ai pas trouvé à vendre as tu des pistes merci

tu tapes catamaran maldive dans gogol et il y en a...

dont un peut etre : ortac3.free.fr[...]/

Sinon il y en a chez multisailing et yachtworld

c'est un bateau trés recherché et pour le cout surcote tres fort aussi par rapport à sa valeur réel.

le fait que ça soit un bateau recent toujours fabriqué justifit à mon sens en partie, le fait que son prix d'occasion soit relativement elevé.

Si tu veux un conseil, pour le prix je choisirais un Maldives. Tu peux en trouver en très bon état jamais loué pour ce prix de 70000 euros. Le bateau est plus puissant, plus logeable et meilleur marcheur que le Piana. Je parle par expérience j'ai eu un Maldives pendant 5 ans et j'ai pu me mesurer avec des Piana de temps en temps.

Non, mais Il y en a eu un à vendre il y a quelque temps dans mon coin (sud Bretagne) vraiment très intéressant, mais j'en vois quelque fois passer dans les annonces sur les revues, mentionnés "jamais loué", il faut surveiller !

encore moins cher www.royalnautisme.fr[...]988.htm

Bref ya ka chercher, c'est le genre de boat suffisemment diffusé pour entrouver assez facilement, reste à voir l'état...

les deux bateaux du lien de tamata sont sauf erreur vendus, ils etaient d'ailleur à un tarif tres raisonnable, ceci explique sans doute cela.

a propos d ortac3 oui celui la je l avais vise mais il s est vendu il y a quelques temps quasiment à ma barbe à un prix qui semblait plu que correct 60000 e dommage surement

NB ce n'est pas un plan S.BOUDON ;-)

mon opinion, en toute objectivité,

c'est un très bon cata , et même avec son roof, il a de réelles performances de part sa relative faible longueur, il est sensible à la répartition des poids (attention au tangage) mais fait un cap plus que honorable

son prix tient essentiellement à son mode de fabrication.....CP époxy...matériaux chers et beaucoup de main d'oeuvre

mais si la cote ne s'effondre pas, c'est qu'il a des adeptes , non?

pour 30 pieds d'occase c'est cher, mais quel entretient, quel équipement........?

personnellement je préfère le "plastique", mais le CP époxy, c'est un gage d'isolation , de légèreté....et de pas le bateau de "Mr tout le monde" ... ;-)

A 70 000€ tu peux trouver un Maldives très correct, mais il faut être patient. Royal nautisme m'avait envoyé des photos de leur maldives. Dans le haut des coques, la moquette est tâchée sous les pièces d'accastillage et dans les cabines arrières elle pend carrément. Cela pue les infiltrations massives. Les hublots de roof sont complètement fendus. RN dit qu'il en a de rechange. A vérifier, on peut toujours en commander par FP, mais c'était 3525,25€ le jeu de 4 cet automne. La photo de l'annonce provient du site de vente d'un maldives anglais, très cher aussi. A mon avis, ne pas oublier l'expertise et à ne pas accepter au dessus de 40 000€. D'ailleurs cela fait 10 mois qu'il le propose à ce prix là. Dans les catas de 9-10m, question compromis performance/agrément de vie à bord le maldives c'est le top. Pas loin de 330° de vue assis dans le carré

catamaran piana 30

maldives 32 et ça avance plutôt bien. En étant patient, à 60 000€ tu peux déjà en trouver un bien. Cela te fait 10 000€ d'équipement pour le mettre à ta main. Fais gaffe, j'ai vu le même bateau proposé à des prix très différents selon les sites qi étaient pet être bien des fliales d'une grosse boite de brokerage. Bon courage J-C

pour les louisiane proposés âr batelier de la vodka 1er lien: vendu

2eme lien: c'est le même, vendu donc

3éme lien: joli bateau que j'ai visité, interieur tres propre et tres sobre, tres beau jeu de voiles, prevoir electronique complete, à noter une reparation sur une varangue avant babord.

4éme lien: je sais pô ;-)

En ce qui me concerne entre un Maldives et un louisiane mon choix serait tout fait ==&gt louisiane

pour le jeu de voiles il faut voir sur piece, entre une voile sortie 40000 fois, sur laquelle on a tiré comme un forcené (genre voile de regates) et une voile du même age sortie 40 fois dans le cadre de promenades familiales il n'y a pas de comparaison possible.

tu en connais cela vaut un maldive ou pas? le prix semble cher pour un cata de 1992 non? quelles sont les points sensibles une voile d origine lattée peut elle etre encore considere comme valable il en veut 70000 euros

Maldives 32 et ça avance plutôt bien. En étant patient, à 60 000€ tu peux déjà en trouver un bien. Cela te fait 10 000€ d'équipement pour le mettre à ta main. Fais gaffe, j'ai vu le même bateau proposé à des prix très différents selon les sites qi étaient pet être bien des fliales d'une grosse boite de brokerage. Bon courage J-C

  • grand, pas +cher le Louisiane www.annoncesbateau.com[...]nce.php

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d'autres choix ;-) www.yachtworld.com[...]ils.jsp

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ça a l'air nerveux un Edel cat 35 quand même

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tiens d'ailleur ce n'est pas tres honnete de mettre des photos et un plan de 35 alors que c'est un 33 qui est proposé.

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